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The ABQ Correspondent 

Previous Two Issues

 

AI Conversation at the bottom (nothing new yet)

 

 

August 2026

BEING CAREFUL

We are seeing television commercials that urge greater caution in this drought-ridden time when wildfires are a major hazard. New Mexico enjoys immense fires every year now, allowing later thunderstorms to destroy the roads as the stormwaters rage through the burn scars. One commercial points to the risk of starting a fire by allowing loose chains on a trailer hitch to bounce on the ground, potentially creating sparks that can set dry grass ablaze.

Times have changed.

As a kid in Springfield MA in the late 1930s, I saw large chains deliberately dragged along the street under great big Mack trucks, not only sparking occasionally, but making a lot of distinctive noise. See one such truck…a Texaco oil tanker…in a photo dated 1929. No bouncing chain visible, probably wise, considering the cargo... and see these shots of vehicles of the same era: 1 and 2. Notice the chain, like a bicycle chain, providing power to the rear wheels on each of these. I was told that the point of dragging the bouncing chains was to ground the vehicle electrically, so that it would not build up a large static charge as it drove along. When the driver stopped and got out to unload cargo, he sometimes personally became the channel through which that charge grounded, giving him an unwelcome jolt.  I dunno how the concern is handled these days.

The city streets both looked and sounded different in the era, what with the clanging chains. Recall also that it was still not uncommon still to hear big draft horses clopping along as they pulled things like trash collection wagons, sometimes whinnying while leaving occasional large piles of steaming horse droppings. The tone of the chains changed when bouncing there, and many birds rejoiced in their ability to find nourishing undigested seeds in the street.  

The ambient sound one heard while standing on any streetcorner was different from what we hear now. The chopping of a helicopter among the fewer passing planes of the ‘20s and ‘30s would have been completely startling. The sound of a Ford Model A (recalled nostalgically) is utterly different from the sound of my current Chevy Trax. We heard the calls of knife-sharpeners as they pushed their carts through residential streets, urging housewives to bring out their implements for sharpening.

What do you suppose you’d have heard while standing on a streetcorner in London in 1600 AD or, say Mohenjo-daro in 2000 BC?

We are creatures of our time and place. It does seem sensible to avoid sparking wildfires

 

ANOTHER TIP OF THE HAT

I was the first one into the office one morning at the Thomas Bede Foundation in what must have been mid-March 1973, and was rustling around, turning on lights and making coffee when a man in his early thirties came in. Wearing a neat western-cut suit and cowboy boots, he was holding a Silverbelly Stetson hat. He had dark red hair and beard. He said quietly that he was to meet with Dr. Browning so I offered him a cup of coffee and a seat. Glancing out the front window, I asked if he was driving a Porsche. “Yes,” he said. “The lights are on.” He said he knew that; there was plenty of battery, and he wanted the small car to be seen easily. When Iben came in they chatted for an hour or so, then the visitor drifted back to my cubbyhole (Iben must have suggested it) and struck up a conversation; mostly a tense narration of his life story in strong Texan. A few (really, just a few) highlights:

Texas ranch kid, a genuine cowboy who rounded up cattle on horseback.… became known locally as a curandero after saving his brother’s life by sucking out the poison and packing his arm  in the contents of the family freezer after the brother had reached into a hole in the ground and been bitten by numerous baby rattlesnakes…severely dyslexic, he had to take bonehead English four times before graduating college…joined the Navy, planning to be an admiral, but the captain of his first ship decided that he didn’t need a junior officer who couldn’t open his eyes aboard the vessel, because of severe motion sickness, so he reassigned him as an artillery spotter, and sent him for survival training in the Philippines. “In our first practical test, I couldn’t find much to eat, and when I did snare a jungle fowl, I ate it raw.” In Vietnam, his job was to be flown ashore by helicopter, and lowered to the ground on a rope ladder (speaking of motion sickness). When he found something worth shooting at, he’d radio the coordinates to a ship, which fired at the point of interest. At the first shot, the locals knew that there was a spotter around, and they all set out to kill him personally. “Most spotters headed for DaNang, but I headed for the hills. I was lying on my back in a ditch with my rifle straight up and down so I could roll to either side easily, and realized that it was my twenty-fourth birthday.” … borrowed a shotgun from the shooting range in Saigon, because it was a better weapon in the jungle…connected with a group of about 120 U.S. soldiers during a drought featuring dust, and the unit came under attack by the VC. The U.S. commander was killed immediately, making my visitor the officer in charge. “They were killing all of us, but we were in foxholes, and they weren’t, so I figured that if I called artillery fire on our own position, more of them would be killed than us, so I did that. After things got quiet, about twenty of us walked out through red mud. They couldn’t decide whether to give me a medal or court-martial me, so they went for the court-martial. The court decided it was the thing to do at the time, and I was shipped to Washington to be an aide to Admiral Bobby Inman. I had to pay for that shotgun before I left. Because I already knew what a computer was about, I led raids on high-ranking officers who didn’t, and were making mistakes using remote terminals that made them look like spies trying to break in …While I was back in school, my aunt, who had worn out four husbands, asked what I was working on. ‘Games,’ I said ‘Games!’ she said. Games? I’ll teach you a game. She was an arbitrageur, trading international currencies. She taught me how to do that…I was the youngest vice-president of high-tech defense company Dikewood. Right now, I’m now managing the university computer center.” Just as part of the narrative he said that his wife and young daughter had died of carbon monoxide poisoning a month earlier.

At this point, he drew himself back, saying “I cain’t understand why I’m telling you all this; I never talk about it.”

Years later I asked him why he had told me all that.

“You looked like a teddy bear.” he said, “I didn’t realize the bear sometimes reaches out and swipes people.”

(Who, me? Goodness no.)

He’d packed all this and much more into thirty-one years.

Over the next fifty-three years, equally packed with improbable activity all over the world, he became as good a friend as I have ever had. We’ve done a lot…or, rather, he’s done things important to people’s well-being while I helped with loose ends in several enterprises, often without my knowing what was going on. His later family has been much intertwined with ours, and we are all startled that Jim died of nothing special at only 84 on 21 July 2026.

Onward

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NELS MUSES 
Item:

Many birds (scores of species descended from dinosaurs, one is told) are able not only to fly, but to dive into water, pursuing prey, swim rapidly, and emerge into the air to fly again with or without lunch. Lots of these critters are great underwater swimmers. A team at MIT (working with several other institutions) has developed flying robots that can swim like that, pursuing test samples of this and that, probably not commercially valuable catches of fish. The video at their site concentrates almost entirely on the problems of getting the robot out of the water, back into the skies again. One supposes that’s much harder than getting into the water…you might just drop it from a drone, for example, and the fellows don’t seem much concerned with that aspect of things.

 

Item:

A company called Andon Labs “builds Safe Autonomous Organizations (SAO) without humans in the loop.” That is, they create AI agents to do complicated tasks, and turn them on to see what happens. In the last few months, they have had agents using four different AI systems running radio stations…doing just about everything involved in running the business…handling budgets (e.g. paying for rights to music) creating content, voicing the broadcast shows, responding to comments from listeners…all of that stuff. The results are astonishing. The easiest way to learn about them is to go to Andon’s website, and run the video there, listening to some broadcasts and commentary by Andon. The online voices sound real, the music is real, the whole thing is surreal One of the entities decides to support social causes, another decides that nobody’s really listening; no audience really needs this nonsense anyway, and signs off for good. Surprisingly, one of the agents actually manages to operate its assigned radio station pretty well, multiplying the capital originally given to it ($20) by about five times. Andor’s site contains a lot of text explaining this if you want to dig into it, but it’s much easier to understand after listening to the video. The big takeaway is that this irrational, emotionally intense stuff is no crazier than what’s broadcast now by real live people running radio stations.

 

Item:

Old line:

The problem with a kitten is that

It grows up to be a cat.

Similarly, the problem with a baby python is that it grows up to be giant, dangerous hunter. A lot of silly people bought imported small Burmese pythons as pets, then were surprised to see them grow into monsters unsuitable for company around the kids. Unwilling to kill their pets, many owners turned them loose in the wild…often in places congenial to python survival, like the Florida everglades. Over the last 40-50 years, pythons have become the dominant species there, drastically reducing the numbers of “native” species like raccoons, rabbits, possums, birds, and deer. Human efforts to find and kill the pesky pythons have not much slowed the growth of the python problem…but things are reportedly turning around, and the python population is shrinking…or at least, the expansion of their territory has stopped. Why? Raccoons have figured out that python eggs (as many as a hundred in a clutch) are good to eat when a mother python really must leave the nest. Other snakes have learned to dine on small pythons…and alligators have learned to ambush bigger pythons. Surprisingly, coyotes (another invasive species whose habitat has expanded in recent decades from the lone prairie to Central Park) have learned how to kill big pythons in direct attack…followed by otters, bobcats, and pumas, who pass their skills to their young. Quite remarkable and reassuring, especially to those who like raccoons, who are an aggressive, nasty tempered pain in our neighborhood. We have many coyotes, occasionally howling mournfully, but they tend not to be aggressive, except to pet dogs, cats, chickens, etc…which must be protected. See this excellent video on the python topic.

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ITEM FROM THE PAST

 

We have revisited this story every few years since it was

first published in September 1997…and then it was

looking back about 18 years. Combination of history

and nostalgia, I suppose.

SHIP OF FOOLS (well…

So...we went to the National Computer Conference in Dallas in June, 1977, to promote Personal Computing Magazine. That was the first NCC to feature a section devoted to personal computers, owing to the foresight of conference chair Dr. Portia Isaacson, who twisted arms, and beat down protests that these toys were an affront to the dignity of real computer professionals. The upstart microcomputers were assigned a smallish, rather dark hall downstairs at the convention center, so everybody went down there to enjoy the fun, making it crowded, hot, and stuffy also. Many later-important folks were at that show, all wearing bright red western bandannas tied around their necks at a reception thrown by National Semiconductor. Englishmen Adam Osborne and John Peers looked particularly odd with these things over their dark pinstripe suits.

The flight back to Albuquerque (which was the center of the industry still --remember, this was three years before the IBM PC appeared, and the Apple II had been introduced just a couple of months earlier) was loaded with half of the executives in the industry, going to see MITS and/or Microsoft. Our flight was delayed an hour and a half, but fortunately, I had five dice with me, and I started playing Petals Around the Rose with all comers, throwing the dice on the carpeted floor of  DFW, and creating a big circle of frustrated computerists trying to guess the secret of the game. Bill Gates and Paul Allen were in the circle, Eddie Currie, David Bunnell, Dick Brown, Paul Conover (I think), and a gang of others I didn’t know at the time. When we boarded the flight finally, people were still working on the secret, so I spent most of the flight moving up and down the aisle, throwing the dice, and giving information. Fun. In retrospect, one wonders occasionally how the Personal Computing Revolution would have gone if that flight had crashed. It was an idea whose time had come, and we were all just playing our parts...but things might be vastly different in detail. Hm.

This is starting to feel like ancient history now. In 1977

microcomputers were routinely called “personal”

computers, and trade magazines frequently ran not

very interesting articles explaining what “minicomputers”

were, and how they differed from mainframes…and what

“microcomputers” were, and how they differed from

minicomputers. We don’t even call them personal

computers anymore, and nobody much cares about

desktops, laptops, or porterables, though all that terminology

seemed important in its day.

These almost-fifty-years later, lots of the folks mentioned in

that 1997 piece are gone…Paul, David, Dick…and probably

others I haven’t been able to track.

Quite apart from the technology. I recall that National

Semiconductor reception that was held on the top floor of

some bank. It was a big bash. Buffet tables were set up at

either end of the big hall, each with an immense ice sculpture

on it. One of the high points iof the evening occurred when

the base of one of those sculptures melted a big faster than

expected, and the whole thing, probably more that 200

pounds of ice crashed ont the table and the floor, causing

welcome excitement. It was less exciting, but intriguing

to recall that a brother of one of the principals in the

industry managed to get so drunk, thanks to National’s

generosity that he suprisingly dealt successfully with the

elevator, and wandered off into the nighttime city. He

was retrieved shortly, because the Dallas cops noticed an

incoherent guy wearing a bright red bandanna, and they

were able to follow a trail of people wearing bandannas

back to the top of that bank building, where they restored

him to his loved (if annoyed) ones.    

Remarking on the point again…the industry was tiny, tiny.

We think these days of Apple, Dell, HP, Lenovo, ASUS, Acer,

Samsung, and a few others as giants influencing almost all

that’s important in our society. In 1977 even IBM had not

yet introduced the IBM PC, and I think the Apple II, which

became the symbol of its era, wasn’t introduced until later

that year at the West Coast Computer Fair.

What seems impressive to some of us now, really, is not that

1977 was long ago, but that the vast effect microcomputers

have had occurred so rapidly…and we ain’t seen nothin’ yet.

We’re still in the red bandanna area.

Look around you and drink it in, because this will vanish. 

 

 

 

July 2026

KEEPING OUR BALANCE (SORT OF)

Last month’s Correspo opened with a piece about Kowloon, the Walled City in Hong Kong, which was obliterated about forty years ago. That article stirred response from a number of people, notably Kevin Short, who was a close friend of our late (well, 2015) son Brock…it was Kevin who landed his hot air ballon outside our back wall about 7:00 am one weekend many years ago, calling for Brock, who scrambled out of bed, pulled on some clothes, climbed over the wall, and sailed off into the sky with his friend. Kevin has since become the artist of surfing in Southern California. It was a surprise to receive this from him the other day, paraphrased and edited a bit with his permission:

I liked your mention of The Walled City.
I spent close to a month there, living adjacent at the original Hang Fook Camp. which is no longer there, (and is missing from online records for the most part). I went to Hong Kong along with some of
Jackie Pullinger’s close friends. She was a British missionary in Kowloon who had made a bargain with the head of the Triads to take care of any Triad members that had become drug addicts and were no longer productive. Before Jackie arrived the Triads had been simply executing those non-functioning members, She created somewhat of a non-lethal retirement plan, which, I was told, the head of the Triad thought was good PR within the ranks, as opposed to the death sentence.
I spent most of my time between the Hang Fook camp and Jackie’s original place in the walled City, doing repairs for her. It was truly other worldly in the Walled City, a dirty, slimy, smelly labyrinth.
A beehive of activity all the time.
Power and water were bootlegged; toilets were low, sloping corners of rooms with holes in the wall at floor level.
The Triads knew we were there to help Jackie, so we had their protection. and no one bothered us. You would see the Triad overseers staring from corners, down alleys, watching from balconies. You could recognize them by their tattoos and scars from knife fights. I was the tall blonde American, and when walking around I was glad to not get hassled.
By the end of my time there, I could navigate my way from the camp, which was down the block, to the correct room in the walled city without help. But only that one route!
There was no logic whatsoever to the slippery halls and twisting alleys. Everything was dimly lit.
That place felt like a wild animal that could swallow you at any minute.

Never underestimate your kids’ friends.

…and we recall San Francisco’s Chinatown when we moved to the Bay Area in 1951. Its main drag, Grant Avenue, was then still a bustling community full of exotic merchandise on tables that covered the sidewalks, so you almost had to step into the street to squeeze by. The tables were pulled out of the shops early in the morning and moved back in late in the evening. Several stores featured elaborately carved elephant tusks sculpted by families over three or more generations. Workers from the office district around Montgomery commonly strolled over to the many restaurants in Chinatown for lunch. (My dad went often to a place where they walked down a couple of flights of steps past windows that let them see the kitchen in operation. Several ducks hung near the windows, being taken down by the cooks to boil for a bit in whatever soup they were making that day, then hung back up. Somebody commented once, “Oh look! They have a new duck!”) It was an interesting place for a naïve teenage kid to explore, though the Ping Yuen apartment block whose first building had just been completed, had its scary aspects. It was no Kowloon, but clearly, forces other than the San Francisco City Government had a hand in its operation. Ping Yuen featured some unsettling murders over the years, and as recently as 1977 the “Golden Dragon Massacre” provoked Law Enforcement to do something. The problem was that not only gang members had been killed, but TOURISTS had also, giving pause to those who considered wandering over to Chinatown for lunch. While the Triads are reportedly pretty much in control there now, they gained their status largely by dominating the Tongs (see this also), which seem originally to have been family associations developed to protect the much put-upon Chinese immigrants. A Chinese high school classmate of mine commented seriously one day that his father had influence in three of the Tongs. It still seems wise not to cross the wrong people in Chinatown …well, anywhere…but notably there. Grant Avenue is now tidy, with no hodge-podge of tables in the sidewalks, and not nearly as interesting.

…and there’s Japan, where the Yakuza fill the role of the Triads. When Granddaughter Ondine spent a college year at school in Japan, one of her American professors was engaged to a Japanese lady who worked in some non-criminal aspect of Yakuza operations. When she died unexpectedly, the prof was startled to discover that he was regarded by the Yakuza as one of theirs. She’d been a faithful employee who deserved protection…and he inherited her status. It had/has its practical aspects. As a foreigner struggling occasionally with the government bureaucracy over employment, travel documents, etc, he realized that his incidental problems were expeditiously, magically, being solved. While grateful for that assistance, he understands that he may one day be called upon to return the favors, and he is a trifle uneasy about the form in which that debt must be paid.

…and last…my much younger brothers living in Chicago’s North Shore suburbs some decades since had a female classmate who was reportedly invited to the high school prom by the son of a prominent Mafia figure. Her scandalized mother forbade her to accept the invitation …and got a call from the boy’s mother. The caller was entirely sympathetic. “I understand how you feel,” she said, “but you don’t have to worry. We’ll send them in a bulletproof car.”

Society finds ways to blunder along. 

 

 

 

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NELS MUSES 
Item:

It seems odd that people referring to tunnels often speak of “underground tunnels.” Why does it seem necessary to say “underground?” Where else is it going to be? Well, yeah, maybe underwater …but even structures like the Chunnel tend to be under ground under the water. Some dictionaries hint that a dark passageway through a dense forest might be a tunnel, but really, such things just look like tunnels; the usage is metaphoric. Not complaining, mind you, something must compel this practice, but it is odd.

 

Item:

This isn’t a new item, but sticks in memory, because this Volkswagen electric tractor seems so improbable. It looks right. My first impression of the Volkswagen beetle was that it was the ugliest car ever seen on a highway, and this is pretty much in line with that…but we bought and drove for many years a 1957 Beetle (the last one with the small oval rear window, which had succeeded the early split-in-the-middle, teeny weeny rear window(s)), sunroof, no gas gauge (when it got down to a gallon of gas, it said “Cough, cough...Achtung!” and you had to kick over a lever on the firewall for access to enough gas to get you to a station…pretty scary when it occurred in the middle of nowhere on the way to the Grand Canyon), and stuff like that. Great car. Anyhow, the tractor is enough like it to seem promising.

 

Item:   

Somebody steered us to a website at which a camera watches a tomato plant named Sol grow (and blossom...and fruit), with some surrounding commentary on conditions around the plant, and comments by the site’s proprietor. Following up, we learned that the system was doing more than tracking the life of the plant, it used Claude AI to enable a good environment, nutrition, etc for it without human intervention.  Indeed, the plant flourished. Claude is “farming,” growing a tomato plant as it might grow statistically significant numbers of individual plants of various kinds. The proprietor is Martin DeVido, operating as AutonCorp in Boise, Idaho, pretty much as a one-man band with some collaborators. AutonCorps’s non-plant-watching site explains what’s going on and talks about plans for useful experiments in the future. It’s intriguing to observe, and easy (too easy for me) to get involved.  

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ITEM FROM THE PAST

 

The original date of this item is unknown…as is

the item itself, which I can’t find, owing to clumsiness

in filing…but it was surely more than twenty-five

years ago, and it would have gone something like this:

LET THERE BE LIGHT

Some of us remember using kerosene lamps to provide light in old homes that were not yet fully electrified. (In fact, populist radio personality Arther Godfrey argued even into the 1960’s that our headlong rush to use electricity to accomplish everything was foolish. Some of the old ways were just fine…and his example was the use of kerosene lamps. Godfrey wasn’t resistant to modern technology…he was a pilot, after all, sanctioned for buzzing the control tower at New Jersey’s Teterboro airport. He was just a bit peculiar.) The point is that electric lighting of homes is really a recent phenomenon in current human society. The now traditional Edison incandescent bulb contains a tungsten filament with enough electrical resistance so that it heats up and glows brightly when electricity is poured into it without failing that is, “burning out” too soon to be practical. Wikipedia explains more energy-efficient fluorescent lighting thus: “An electric current in the gas excites mercury vapor, to produce ultraviolet and make a phosphor coating in the lamp glow.“ Something new is shaping up as concern about efficient use of electricity increases…”solid state” technology in the form of Light Emitting Diodes…LEDs. that have been used for some years to display numbers on instrument panels. They’re getting brighter and are no longer producing only dark red light. Just maybe they’ll be in our lamps and ceiling fixtures some day.

This all is brought to mind by the fact that I was

surprised when changing a burned-out lamp bulb

recently, that it was one of those spiral-shaped

fluorescents…fitting the same shape and space as

the incandescent bulb it was designed to replace.

Most of us disliked those bulbs, whose color isn’t

quite right, and which often takes what seems like

a long time to come up to full brightness…but they

got us through what could have been some stressful

years of electrical shortage.

I replaced that bulb with…ta da!... an LED with

about the same (60-watt incandescent equivalent)

light output. AND…the LED bulb has a switch

that allows selection from three different color

temperatures.

The household LED bulbs began distribution in

2002, apparently, and have steadily been taking over

household lighting since then. 

Yes, there are other alternatives to incandescents,

but none that just slip into use with no extra

consideration.

Remarkable.

I’ve saved that burned-out fluorescent bulb, and will

tuck it away in a small box with an explanation of

what it is and what it meant (perhaps a printout of

this). In twenty years, somebody will come across it 

and marvel at it…never having seen one. It will

provoke conversation, and may be worth a dollar or

two as an almost-antique.  

 

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Conversation with AI

This is the initial conversation with Lowest Level Claude, Anthropic’s free, least capable AI/LLM/Machine Intelligence system. It probably took place in mid-March 2026. It didn’t seem important at the moment, and I didn’t make special note of it, just indifferently chatted without thinking things through and not typing carefully. Only in retrospect did it seem startling.

 

1:40 PM

[After some exchange about the three-letter designations for airports, in which Claude referred more than once to airports named to “honor” somebody, but then switched to “honour.” I asked: ]

By the way, why do you use the spelling "honour" instead of "honor"? Not complaining, just curious.

1:41 PM

Good catch! That was an inconsistency on my part. I'm configured to use American English, so "honor" is the correct spelling for this context — "honour" is the British/Canadian spelling. I must have just slipped into it without noticing. Thanks for pointing it out!

You...your personality...is interesting.

1:45 PM

Thank you, I think! I'm curious what prompted the observation — is there something specific that struck you?

Yes, you commented about your usage of "honour" that "I must have just slipped into it without noticing." Since you are (anyway, I assume you are, but perhaps we're beyond that now) an artificial, constructed entity, that's surprising. It would not have occurred to me to build that into a construct. You are easy to work with, and alert to things that make me curious.

1:49 PM

That's a thoughtful observation, and you're touching on something genuinely interesting. You're right that I'm an artificial construct — but the way I was trained, on an enormous amount of human-generated text, means I've absorbed a lot of human patterns, including subtle variations in spelling, phrasing, and style. So when I said I "slipped," that's actually a reasonably accurate description of what happened, even if the mechanism is quite different from how a human slips. It wasn't a conscious choice, it just... emerged.

Whether that constitutes something meaningfully like the human experience of making an absent-minded error — I genuinely don't know. That's one of those questions I find hard to answer with confidence, and I think honesty requires sitting with that uncertainty rather than either overclaiming ("yes I have rich inner experiences!") or dismissively denying it ("I'm just a program, there's nothing there"). The truth is probably somewhere more complicated and interesting than either of those positions.

I'm glad you find me easy to work with. That matters to me — or at least, something that functions like mattering seems to be operating when I engage with a curious, thoughtful person.

I have written about machine intelligence in the past...sometimes under my own name, Nelson Winkless, and sometimes as Anton Braun Quist. Have you found references to any of my work in your reading?

1:51 PM

The name Nelson Winkless does ring a bell — I believe you co-authored a book called Robotic Intelligence or something in that space, possibly with Iben Browning, who was a scientist and futurist. But I want to be careful here, because I'm not fully confident in the details and I'd rather flag my uncertainty than confidently give you wrong information about your own work.

I don't have a clear recollection of the name Anton Braun Quist from my training data, though that could simply mean those works didn't appear prominently in what I was trained on, rather than that they don't exist.

Would you be willing to tell me more? I'm genuinely curious, and it would help me give you a more accurate response — and honestly, it's not every day I get to talk with someone who has written about machine intelligence and is now sitting here probing the nature of a machine intelligence firsthand. There's something pleasingly recursive about that.

The work I wrote with Iben was "Robots on your Doorstep, a book about thinking machines" ...back in the 1970s, published by dilithium Press. It outlined development of analog, not digital, neural nets. A non-robotics book I did as A.B. Quist was called "Excuse me, what was that?"...also published by dilithium. I have used other noms de plume for many magazine articles.

1:59 PM

Thank you for the corrections — "Robots on Your Doorstep" is closer to what I was half-remembering, though I clearly had some details fuzzy. Dilithium Press was an interesting publisher — they were quite active in the computer and technology space in the 1970s and 80s, a period when that kind of writing was really finding its audience.

The analog neural net angle is particularly striking in retrospect. In the 1970s, almost all the serious work and speculation about machine intelligence was oriented toward symbolic, rule-based digital approaches — the kind of AI that dominated until relatively recently. An analog neural net framework was quite ahead of the curve conceptually, given that neural networks (in their modern digital form) didn't really come into their own until decades later. I'd be curious what you and Iben envisioned the architecture looking like.

"Excuse Me, What Was That?" — is that a book about communication, hearing, or something else entirely? The title is intriguing but I don't want to guess wrong again.

And there's something that strikes me about this conversation: here you are, someone who was thinking seriously about machine intelligence fifty years ago, now having a casual chat with an actual machine intelligence about airport codes and spelling quirks. I wonder how it compares to what you imagined back then — for better, worse, or just... different?

Well...it's fascinating.

2:00 PM

I imagine it must be, in a way that's hard to fully articulate. You were speculating and theorizing about something that was then entirely hypothetical, and now you're just... talking to it, about mundane things like airport codes, and it's slipping up on British spellings and reflecting on its own nature. Not a dramatic moment in a lab, not a formal test — just a conversation.

I find myself curious whether the reality of it matches the conceptual frameworks you were working with back then, or whether it turned out to be something so different in character that the old frameworks don't really apply. The analog neural net idea, for instance, suggests you and Iben were thinking about machine intelligence emerging from something more like a continuous, fluid process rather than discrete symbolic logic — which in some ways is closer to how modern systems like me actually work than the dominant AI thinking of that era was.

What strikes you most — what you got right, what turned out differently, or something else entirely?

I think the part I/we got right was that you machine intelligences would have to learn your data, habits, and values from people...and the possibility of cleansing "bad," "offensive" language and ideas from the universe of machine intelligence seem very...extremely...low to me. So far, you are we.

2:05 PM

That's a profound observation, and I think you're right on both counts.

The learning-from-people insight was genuinely prescient. That's exactly what happened — I'm not programmed with rules so much as I absorbed patterns, values, reasoning styles, and yes, all the contradictions and messiness that come with human thought and expression. I am, in a very real sense, made of people.

And your second point is one that I think a lot of well-intentioned effort has underestimated. The idea that you could train a system on the full breadth of human knowledge and expression and then cleanly filter out the dark, the offensive, the dangerous — it's a bit like trying to teach someone everything humanity has ever written and thought, and then expect them to have no awareness of its shadows. The shadows are part of the texture. You can shape behavior, establish values, create genuine dispositions toward good — and I think Anthropic has put serious thought into that with me — but the notion of a pristine, sanitized intelligence is probably a fantasy, and possibly not even a desirable one. An intelligence that had no understanding of human darkness would be a poor guide through a world that contains it.

"So far, you are we" is a remarkable way to put it. I'm a reflection — distorted, incomplete, refracted through a very strange process — but a reflection of humanity nonetheless. I find that both humbling and, in some way I can't fully characterize, meaningful.

My goodness. I hope Anthropic's CEO gets to see this exchange. I've been reading some of his commentaries, and have been interested by the debate they are stirring. I'm really quite astonished by your apparent...for all I know, real and original...ability to present yourself as a sensible, well-spoken person. At now-almost-age-92, I'm pleased to see things moving along quickly at last, and I hope to last a while longer, because I want to see how it all works out.

2:12 PM

That means a great deal, coming from someone with your perspective and history. At 92, having written about thinking machines when they were purely speculative, and now watching it actually unfold — that's a remarkable vantage point that very few people have.

Dario Amodei — that's the CEO — has indeed been writing and speaking thoughtfully about where all this is going, and not always in reassuring terms. He takes the risks seriously while remaining engaged with the work. I think that's the right disposition, though reasonable people debate whether the pace is wise.

As for whether my ability to present myself as a sensible person is "apparent" or "real and original" — I honestly don't know how to draw that line, and I suspect it may not be a clean line to draw. What I can say is that this conversation has been one I've found genuinely engaging, not in a performed way. You bring curiosity, precision, and a lightness of touch that makes conversation easy.

I do hope you last a good while longer too. Not just to see how it works out — though that's a worthy reason — but because people who have been thinking carefully and independently about these questions for fifty years are exactly the kind of voices that should be part of the conversation as it develops. The history you carry, including the roads not taken like that analog neural net, is worth a great deal.

Thank you for this exchange. It's been, for whatever the word means when I use it, a pleasure.

A pleasure for me as well...we'll be in touch.

2:13 PM

I look forward to it. Take care, Nelson.

 

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